色法的特性是质碍，声音是色法之一，请问它是怎么质碍的？
Re: 色法的特性是质碍，声音是色法之一，请问它是怎么质碍的？
我有这样一次坐飞机的经历:在飞机上一般由于发动机的噪音很大，很难听到较远的人声。但当我静下心来，闭上眼睛的时候，突然感到人声和发动机的声音是互不干扰的，它们在 两个不同的频段上，就象飞机（人声）在云层（发动机噪音）上飞一样。在这两种声音分离的情形中，很远的人声也一清二楚。
Re: 色法的特性是质碍，声音是色法之一，请问它是怎么质碍的？
色以“质碍变坏”为性，按说“质碍”应该是占有空间的意思，但从现代科学看，声音不能算是占有空间，“变坏”倒是没问题。其实我觉得，俱舍论在某种意义上是论师尝试对物理世界进行更精密、准确的科学分析，以辅助修行，有其时代的局限性，所以其重点不在于科学分析是否完美，而在于能否有效帮助回答修行中的一些疑问。所以要是严格按照“质碍变坏”去追究的话，以现代科学的角度，声音其实很难说符合这个标准。
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Re: 色法的特性是质碍，声音是色法之一，请问它是怎么质碍的？
师兄可以进行这样一个实验:1、找一个法师讲经论的油管视频，一定要能清楚看到嘴的口形变化的那种。2、戴上耳机在较大的电脑终端上看这个视频，请注意声音传出的方向和位置。3、请把终端在桌子上移动一下位置，越远越好，但还坐在原来的位置上看这个视频，再注意声音传出的方向和位置。如果是双终端，那么只须把视频移到另一个终端即可。4、闭上眠睛，又一次听上面的视频，请好好静心地注意声音传出的位置和方向。完成这一实验后，我们可以深入地讨论提出的问题，并说明声音为什么是唯识所现。
Re: 色法的特性是质碍，声音是色法之一，请问它是怎么质碍的？
谢谢师兄！只要做过这个实验，应该有类似的感受。由于有眼识的参与，反而形成声音产生位置的误差，但另一方面也正好说明我们身心有产生声音空间位置的功能。我们还可以进一步在日常生活中进行观察，比如和家人的对话或家里产生声音的源头，那怕声音发生在你身后，你也同样可以感知声音的位置。那么你能感知同一地方的两种声音吗？或者说你能在同一位置显现两种不同的声音吗？如果不能，那么声音是相碍的，如果能，那它们不相碍。
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Re: 色法的特性是质碍，声音是色法之一，请问它是怎么质碍的？
其实确实是。我对祖师们能解脱没有疑问，但说实话，说祖师甚至佛陀能无所不知，我还是不太信。
又比如四种世间正见中：有善有恶，因果业报，三世轮回，有凡有圣。有善有恶、有凡有圣没问题，因果业报可能有75%相信？三世轮回，说实话可能只有50%信，半信半疑…
应无所住，而生其心
Re: 色法的特性是质碍，声音是色法之一，请问它是怎么质碍的？
师兄可以看看西方对轮回的研究。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson
Professor Ian Stevenson M.D.
Ian Pretyman Stevenson (October 31, 1918 – February 8, 2007) was a Canadian-born American psychiatrist, the founder and director of the Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia School of Medicine.
He was a professor at the University of Virginia School of Medicine for fifty years. He was chair of their department of psychiatry from 1957 to 1967, Carlson Professor of Psychiatry from 1967 to 2001, and Research Professor of Psychiatry from 2002 until his death in 2007.[1]
As founder and director of the University of Virginia School of Medicine's Division of Perceptual Studies (originally named "Division of Personality Studies"), which investigates the paranormal, Stevenson became known for his research into cases he considered suggestive of reincarnation – the idea that emotions, memories, and even physical bodily features can be passed on from one incarnation to another.[2] In the course of his forty years doing international fieldwork, he researched three thousand cases of children who claimed to remember past lives.[3][4][5] His position was that certain phobias, philias, unusual abilities and illnesses could not be fully explained by genetics or the environment. He believed that, in addition to genetics and the environment, reincarnation might possibly provide a third, contributing factor.[6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson
Professor Ian Stevenson M.D.
Ian Pretyman Stevenson (October 31, 1918 – February 8, 2007) was a Canadian-born American psychiatrist, the founder and director of the Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia School of Medicine.
He was a professor at the University of Virginia School of Medicine for fifty years. He was chair of their department of psychiatry from 1957 to 1967, Carlson Professor of Psychiatry from 1967 to 2001, and Research Professor of Psychiatry from 2002 until his death in 2007.[1]
As founder and director of the University of Virginia School of Medicine's Division of Perceptual Studies (originally named "Division of Personality Studies"), which investigates the paranormal, Stevenson became known for his research into cases he considered suggestive of reincarnation – the idea that emotions, memories, and even physical bodily features can be passed on from one incarnation to another.[2] In the course of his forty years doing international fieldwork, he researched three thousand cases of children who claimed to remember past lives.[3][4][5] His position was that certain phobias, philias, unusual abilities and illnesses could not be fully explained by genetics or the environment. He believed that, in addition to genetics and the environment, reincarnation might possibly provide a third, contributing factor.[6][7]
Re: 色法的特性是质碍，声音是色法之一，请问它是怎么质碍的？
听觉指声源的振动所引起的声波，通过外耳和中耳组成的传音系统传递到内耳，经内耳的环能作用将声波的机械能转变为听觉神经上的神经冲动，后者传送到大脑皮层听觉中枢而产生的主观感觉。声波是由于四周的空气压力有节奏的变化而产生，当物件在震动时，四周的空气也会被影响。当物件越近，空气的粒子会被压缩；当物件越远，空气的粒子会被拉开。
听觉对于动物有重要意义，动物会利用听觉逃避敌害，捕获食物。而人类的语言和音乐，一定程度上是以听觉为基础的。
当声波的频率和强度达到一特定值范围内，才能引起动物的听觉。人耳能感受到的振动频率范围约为20-20000赫兹。随着年龄的增长，听觉上限会降低，强度范围为0.0002-1000 dyn/cm²。
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听觉对于动物有重要意义，动物会利用听觉逃避敌害，捕获食物。而人类的语言和音乐，一定程度上是以听觉为基础的。
当声波的频率和强度达到一特定值范围内，才能引起动物的听觉。人耳能感受到的振动频率范围约为20-20000赫兹。随着年龄的增长，听觉上限会降低，强度范围为0.0002-1000 dyn/cm²。
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%90%AC%E8%A7%89
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